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NAS as media player..?

Post by DidiZ » Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:51 pm

Hi everyone.
I’m looking for advice on creating a home media network.

my wife needs a way to backup her work (Mac book sync to Dropbox) , and I have Several music libraries on old computers. And photos.
Ideally I want the files on Dropbox backed up to the NAS and vice versa.. and photos from ICloud Synced to NAS

my tv has hdmi but isn’t smart (or smart enough.. small hdd works) im using an talk talk box to view Tv and players. Unfortunately it’s a little old and can’t play amazon video... which I’m hopefuly can play from the NAS

music is blue tooth speaker at mo. But I have a little turbo sound 600w with an amp that I’d like to use in future. With a hdmi splitter thingy.

ive been looking at the Qnap 253d with hdmi. But I’ve realised it’s a bit complicated and involves monthly subscription.. Maybe..???
plus reports it doesn’t work as it should playing directly from the NAS like it’s a computer..

Devices:
Mac book pro
Mac book pro 2011. Broken
Mac book pro 2007. Still working..!!
Microsoft surface 7
iPhones
iPad mini 2
Samsung tv 1080
Fritz Box 7530 router
Bose Bluetooth speaker

Is there an obvious thing I’m missing. Better options?
Thanks for your input
Didi

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Re: NAS as media player..?

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:07 pm

DidiZ wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:51 pm
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ur nas is basically storage with networking capability. so basically, anything on your network can find it and stream the data on it e.g. videos, music....

You need an app that can playback the files stored on your nas.

For example....

On the desktop i use a video player, MPC HC that opens a video file on the nas to then playback on my pc desktop. Or for music, i use foobar2000.

For TV, you can use a plex client app, to connect to a plex server app *running on your nas, to then stream videos stored on your nas to your tv.

For music to tv, i'm not sure, maybe others know what is the recommended app for that o_O;


If your tv is not smart, you can purchase an android media player box, connect it to your TV via hdmi. This android box would then either have wired ethernet or wireless (or both). The android box would connect to your local area network (usually direct to your router, or a switch connected to the router. Your nas would also be on the same lan).

On android, there are tons of apps you can run. plex... kodi.... music players etc.... they all can connect to your nas via smb. You just need the right app to playback whatever media you are trying to play on your tv.

No subscriptions are required.....



for which android box to get, a sure fire one is the nvidia shield. Or you can get one that is certified to work with netflix 4k streaming is my recommendation.


Alternative to an android box, you could simply connect your NAS to your HDTV via HDMI, then run hdstation, that is loaded with plex, or whatever app. On your tv you would view hdstation and browse to whatever app. Personally i rather use an android box to work with my NAS :D


As for your content, you can rip your original blurays/dvds using a ripper app to convert it to a digital format. Like for movies you can rip then encode into h264 mkv with flac/aac audio etc.

For newbies they just subscribe to netflix and just watch whatever is available (NAS not required).
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Re: NAS as media player..?

Post by DidiZ » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:13 am

Thanks for the answer Moogle..

So I guess the main question I really need to answer Still how do I play music through my old School stereo. Big jack in. Phono leads..

I guess for the Bluetooth speaker I can play my music from an app on my phone. Which is outputting to Bluetooth Speaker.

But if the NAS is not in the living room how can I run audio out?

And if it is in the living room.. will I be able to use my phone to control the audio app that is outputting music via hdmi (audio split box) to the stereo..?

Thanks for all your thoughts on this..
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Re: NAS as media player..?

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:34 am

DidiZ wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:13 am
Thanks for the answer Moogle..

So I guess the main question I really need to answer Still how do I play music through my old School stereo. Big jack in. Phono leads..

I guess for the Bluetooth speaker I can play my music from an app on my phone. Which is outputting to Bluetooth Speaker.

But if the NAS is not in the living room how can I run audio out?

And if it is in the living room.. will I be able to use my phone to control the audio app that is outputting music via hdmi (audio split box) to the stereo..?

Thanks for all your thoughts on this..
DiDi
the NAS does not have to be in your living room. Mine isn't.

What i did was have a long solid cat6 ethernet cable run through the walls, exiting to another room further away, that ethernet mount port is then used by a switch. This switch has many available ports, which i then connect to my devices

- smart tv (with ethernet port)
- android box (connected to the tv via hdmi. but also connected to the switch via ethernet for the network and/or internet access as well)


So then on your tele, you select the source to your android box. And on android box, you select the app that can play music files. it will select a file from your nas (via smb) and play it.

That speaker would be connected to your HDTV.


Your mobile phones can also access to your nas via wireless, assuming you have a wireless access point which most people do.


i use this for android to browse to my nas
https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... nextapp.fx


i then open the files with an app that can play that media format, e.g. for videos i use mx player. heck with mx player, they have their own exploration integrated to be able to add and search content from the nas
https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... oplayer.ad



an alternative to an android box is a chromecast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA92NW6nPHk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iHYbeyyLuk



if you can't afford to do what i did, you'd have to use wireless then, so you have network connectivity over that distance, assuming you have a good signal. or you can put your qnap near to the hdtv with your switch/router within the vicinity. or the last option was to connect the qnap directly to your hdtv via hdmi.
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[Backup] QNAP TS-653A w. 5x 2TB Samsung F3 (HD203WI) EXT4 Raid5
[Backup] QNAP TL-D400S 2x 4TB WD Red Nas (WD40EFRX) single disks.
[^] QNAP TS-659 Pro II
[^] QNAP TS-509 Pro w. 4x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS) EXT4 Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-228
[^] QNAP TS-128
[Mobile NAS] TBS-453DX w. 2x Crucial MX500 500gb EXT4 raid1

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Re: NAS as media player..?

Post by DidiZ » Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:28 am

Yes I see.

Router is by tv..

Tv has only optical audio out..
and wife hates the tv being on.. so can’t be on to play music..

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Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:11 pm

your tv has hdmi right? you can plug a chromecast into the hdmi slot. The chrome cast will have wireless connectivity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW_YIo8VlZ4

on your tv you select source chromecast so you can see whats going on.


or if you are using android box, it's a similar deal, although android box is likely to come with an ethernet port for you to connect to your router/switch.


well if your not playing music on your tv, how else are you going to listen to music? you need speakers or headphones for the audio output.


it may be possible to play music using the qnap inbuilt speakers, but i don't recommend it, because it's not ideal for us audiophiles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z9ppW3cnoc


one option is to use your smartphone (using some sort of app), use that to stream your music (from the nas) to a connected speakers on the network (probly via wireless). maybe there is some kind of speakers that supports that. look at the nascompare article that explains how this might work

https://nascompares.com/2017/08/04/what ... nd-system/
https://www.t3.com/features/best-multi- ... fi-speaker
https://sea.pcmag.com/speakers/4856/the ... s-for-2020


What is the Best NAS for my Sonos Wireless Sound System to enjoy your music throughout the home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxa5fXamQfk


How To Play Music From Your Nas Over Sonos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWnHVRClGCY


Everything you Need to Understand About the New Sonos Update From S1 to S2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZiINR4AEGY


looking at the video the fella uses a pc to stream the music to the sonos speakers located wherever you want in your home. Not sure if they have an android app they can use from smartphone, but i wouldn't be surprised if there was one.


i watch this video, i think the sonos android app may be capable of browsing to the nas media server, then streaming that music to the sonos speakers. no pc required, only smartphone with the app :D i don't have a sonos so i can't say for sure, but you can watch the video and see the app menu and settings yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQHW9aSYgas
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[Backup] QNAP TS-653A w. 5x 2TB Samsung F3 (HD203WI) EXT4 Raid5
[Backup] QNAP TL-D400S 2x 4TB WD Red Nas (WD40EFRX) single disks.
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[^] QNAP TS-228
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Re: NAS as media player..?

Post by spile » Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:33 pm

I have dedicated share on my NAS for music which is saved in FLAC format.
I use a Naim preamp/Streamer/app to access and play these files.
Previously I used a Squeezebox Touch (server software runs on Qnap) and Squeezer app.
An interesting alternative is to use a DAC and Volumio on a Raspberry Pi.
Ref:
https://www.electromaker.io/tutorial/bl ... spberry-pi
https://www.musicservertips.com/how-to- ... ver-guide/

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Re: NAS as media player..?

Post by DidiZ » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:04 pm

@moogle

I have an old school amp from the 1980s. And some fairly large speakers.. traditional cable input like from turntables and mixers..

I have found a Bluetooth converter that outputs that.

So I could use my iPhone to play from the NAS via an NAS app..
this would be plex..???

@spile.

Ah ok that’s other apps. I see

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Re: NAS as media player..?

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:47 pm

if that amp and speakers is connected to a hdtv, then you could use a chromecast on your tv, so you can stream audio and it should play on your speakers.

But you were complaining you didn't want to use your tv.

then the only solution is a modern wireless speakers something like a sonos.

unless someone else has a better idea?
NAS
[Main Server] QNAP TS-877 w. 4tb [ 3x HGST Deskstar NAS (HDN724040ALE640) & 1x WD RED NAS ] EXT4 Raid5 & 2 x m.2 SATA Samsung 850 Evo raid1 +16gb ddr4 Crucial+ QWA-AC2600 wireless+QXP PCIE
[Backup] QNAP TS-653A w. 5x 2TB Samsung F3 (HD203WI) EXT4 Raid5
[Backup] QNAP TL-D400S 2x 4TB WD Red Nas (WD40EFRX) single disks.
[^] QNAP TS-659 Pro II
[^] QNAP TS-509 Pro w. 4x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS) EXT4 Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-228
[^] QNAP TS-128
[Mobile NAS] TBS-453DX w. 2x Crucial MX500 500gb EXT4 raid1

Network
Asus AC68U Router|100dl/50ul MBPS FTTH Internet | Win10, WC PC-Intel i7 920 Ivy bridge desktop (1x 512gb Samsung 850 Pro SSD + 1x 4tb HGST Ultrastar 7K4000)


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