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TS - 832x - video editing

Post by 0773388500 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:23 am

I never own a nas before and i bought a ts 832x - whit out knowing anything.
I just whant to edit 4k video file (50fps/150bitrate) in adobe premiere pro and use the nas as the disk that holds the project and the video files
The config of the nas is:
ram ddr 16 gb
7 hdd - seagate skyhawk surveillanve 6t in raid 5

I tought u jest plug in via usb 3.0 that are available (the nas has 2 usb 3.0 and the pc and laptop have usb c connection) and you are done .... i was wrong , to edit i find out i need 5 gigabit speed ... so i need the "USB 3.1 Expansion Card" , i;m on my way to buy that .
BUT !!! can any one tell me if i benefit if i use the last slot available to buy a ssd hdd for accelerate cache , or do i absolutly need the "QM2 Expansion Card" to be able to edit those 4k files
At the moment the connection is stable at 103m\s
Or is there some setting i have to do so i can use those usb 3.0 ports ?

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Re: TS - 832x - video editing

Post by Bob Zelin » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:35 am

Hello Mr. 0773388500
I am sorry, but you own the wrong QNAP model. The TS-832x is a terrible product for video editing, and you are quickly discovering that this QNAP, and ANY QNAP, and ANY network attached storage device is not a plug and play product, like a drive from G-Tech, Promise, Lacie, Areca or OWC.
And you are using the wrong hard drives. Why did you purchase security hard drives?

Before I get started, let's just say that you did everything correctly with the TS-832X - you purchased eight matching Seagate Ironwolf 7200 RPM drives in a single static volume, and used a thunderbolt to 10G adaptor on your computer (you did not say if you had Mac or PC - I assume it's Mac because you are doing video editing) - so you would have purchased a QNAP QNAP-T310G1S SFP+ adaptor and a DAC cable to connect to the 10G port on the TS-832X. Even if you did all of this, the TS-832X is still too slow to edit 4K in Premiere, Resolve, FCP X or AVID.
The 8 bay you should have purchased would have been a TVS-872XT, and if you could not afford the $1800, you would get the TVS-873e with the optional QNAP QXG-10G1T 10G card. You would connect with a Cat 6 cable from your computer 10G port to the 10G port on the QNAP.

But like I said, the TS-832X is an entry level box that is simply too slow for this application, and those SFP+ 10G ports that come with the TS-832X don't help matters.

You can throw all the money you want at this product, but you will continue to be disappointed by this specific model for video editing applications. QNAP makes some amazing fast products, and the TS-832X is unfortunately not one of them.

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Re: TS - 832x - video editing

Post by Bob Zelin » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:41 am

Without knowing anything about the rest of your system (your computer that you are running premiere on) - I can only add this, which I should have put in my first post. Let's just say you come back and say "look - I just don't have the money for a TVS-872XT, and I am a SOLE user of this QNAP - no shared storage - what should I do". The answer is return the TS-832X, and get (for $100 more) the 4 bay TS-453BT3. At least you will be able to be able to work with Premiere and 4K files, and the 453BT3 comes with the proper 10G port.

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Re: TS - 832x - video editing

Post by dolbyman » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:45 am

on top .. not sure why you want to add a usb card..usb plugs on those units and card are host plugs(for connection of harddrives or even external network cards,etc) they will not let connect a computer to it (another host device)..the qnap is a NAS not a DAS

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Re: TS - 832x - video editing

Post by 0773388500 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:50 pm

i bought that nas whit out known any thing
now i already spent the money , i read that i can instal the USB 3.1 Expansion Card adn have speeds of around 200-400 overe the usb tivp c calble
The ediiting proces is done whit proxis and thre is no problem if i can ghet those tipe of speeds
to make the 10gb connection work i need to buy the 10gb pcie adaptor for the pc from china and it taks around a mount !!
If i buy that adaptor do u think i well get speed around 400mb/s read and right whit my curent setup or ...
What do u recomand because i;m stuck,
Or i give up and stick whit the external hdd to mouve folders from the pc to the leptop

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Re: TS - 832x - video editing

Post by 0773388500 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:55 pm

and whti the usb 3.0 a to tipe c it can connect the pc whit the nas and i have a stalble speed of 102-113mb/s
the nas has a 3.0usb and the asrock has an usb 3.1 tipe c port .... and is whorking , but when i copi large cuantitis of files as an full project in premiere it stops working and i heve to hit retry to continue

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Re: TS - 832x - video editing

Post by dolbyman » Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:41 pm

without a virtual network adapter, I am at loss how a direct usb c connection is supposed to work

speeds would be in line with 1GbE

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Re: TS - 832x - video editing

Post by Lindegren » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:07 pm

Bob Zelin wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:35 am
Hello Mr. 0773388500
I am sorry, but you own the wrong QNAP model. The TS-832x is a terrible product for video editing, and you are quickly discovering that this QNAP, and ANY QNAP, and ANY network attached storage device is not a plug and play product, like a drive from G-Tech, Promise, Lacie, Areca or OWC.
And you are using the wrong hard drives. Why did you purchase security hard drives?

Before I get started, let's just say that you did everything correctly with the TS-832X - you purchased eight matching Seagate Ironwolf 7200 RPM drives in a single static volume, and used a thunderbolt to 10G adaptor on your computer (you did not say if you had Mac or PC - I assume it's Mac because you are doing video editing) - so you would have purchased a QNAP QNAP-T310G1S SFP+ adaptor and a DAC cable to connect to the 10G port on the TS-832X. Even if you did all of this, the TS-832X is still too slow to edit 4K in Premiere, Resolve, FCP X or AVID.
The 8 bay you should have purchased would have been a TVS-872XT, and if you could not afford the $1800, you would get the TVS-873e with the optional QNAP QXG-10G1T 10G card. You would connect with a Cat 6 cable from your computer 10G port to the 10G port on the QNAP.

But like I said, the TS-832X is an entry level box that is simply too slow for this application, and those SFP+ 10G ports that come with the TS-832X don't help matters.

You can throw all the money you want at this product, but you will continue to be disappointed by this specific model for video editing applications. QNAP makes some amazing fast products, and the TS-832X is unfortunately not one of them.

Bob Zelin
This is just not correct. 4K videoediting is not that bandwidth hungry
I own a small production company, and we are 2 editors in house, working from a ts-832x

the nas box maxes out at about 3g network speed

We almost never shoot raw video, and when working on a 4k timeline my machine never exceeds 1gbit in networkusages - except when rendering.

If we do work with raw footage, then it is still fast enough for one editor.

BUT DONT USE SMR DRIVES!

our setup is:

Cameras:
Canon C100 and C200
2*dual xeon workstations
minrotik 10g sfp+ switch
ts-832x 16GB
7*ironwolf 8tb drives

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Re: TS - 832x - video editing

Post by Spider99 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:30 pm

Opens popcorn
awaits Bob's response to this :)
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Re: TS - 832x - video editing

Post by Bob Zelin » Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:17 am

I am sitting here in front of my TS-831X - what can I say. It's useless. It's now a stand for my TS-h886. If you are working with 4K images from ProRes4444, DNxHR, Red .r3d, etc, you are doing more
than 100 MB/sec. But if it's working for you - hey, great ! You get a nice boring $2100 TVS-872XT and use 10G adapters on your computers, and you get 800 MB/sec. Never an issue.
Products like the TS-832X, TS-1635ax, etc. or anything with an Annapurna CPU is just a terrible recommendation, from my experience.

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