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WD60EFAX support for TS-859 Pro+

Post by quocstar » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:41 pm

Currently, the WD60EFAX is not listed on the supportability list for the TS-859 Pro+. Unfortunately, the older model WD60EFRX that was supported is EOL.

I've submitted a request for Qnap to test the WD60EFAX support for TS-859 Pro+ via their compatability list under the section "Can't find the desired compatible product?
Suggest a product for us to test.", but not sure if/when they will respond to confirm they will test.

Anyone had experience using WD60EFAX in a TS-859 Pro+? As the WD60EFAX is the replacement model and very similar to WD60EFRX, I would assume it would be safe to use even though it's not on Qnap's supportability list? The WD60EFAX seems to be supported on Qnap's newer models.

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Re: WD60EFAX support for TS-859 Pro+

Post by dolbyman » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:45 pm

should be fine ..chances of qnap testing new drives on old devices are slim

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Re: WD60EFAX support for TS-859 Pro+

Post by quocstar » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:47 pm

Thanks dolbyman. Took the plunge and rebuilt my RAID array using the new WD60EFAX successfully. Have completed a full disk SMART test with no errors found for the drive and scanned the disk without any problems via storage manager. Any suggestions/recommendations of any other tests I should perform to ensure data and drive will be fine moving forward as I may need to replace more drives in future?

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Re: WD60EFAX support for TS-859 Pro+

Post by smpie » Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:49 pm

Hi quocstar,

i was contemplating the same thing. but in my case i can still buy the older WD60EFRX.
But i noticed that it was a bit harder, then i thought to see the date it first appeared on tweakers.net/pricewatch a site i use to compare products here in The Netherlands.. and i noticed it was an older drive (available since July 2014)..
Whereas the newer WD60EFAX is from 29 jan 2019.. so i looked a bit deeper in to the compatibility listing from Qnap and noticed that the new drive has more Nas types listed then the older disk. so i concluded new is better as the chance that i would find the same replacement disk in the future was more likely ...
Reason i'm looking in to this disk is that one of my 2TB disk's just reported a problem (Samsung Spinpoint F4 EG HD204U)
so i contemplating migrating all 8 disks to a good WD red disk instead of buying just one new 2tb wd and waiting for the other disks to fail..


also looking to find what the max size is for disks in this nas.. a friend of my said you can go higher but it's not supported by qnap.. trying to find anyone that did this..
thanks for you post.. really useful..

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Re: WD60EFAX support for TS-859 Pro+

Post by holger_kuehn » Sun Sep 29, 2019 11:51 pm

smpie wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:49 pm
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also looking to find what the max size is for disks in this nas.. a friend of my said you can go higher but it's not supported by qnap.. trying to find anyone that did this..
thanks for you post.. really useful..
This should only depend on the type of storage pool used. When its the newer storage pool with thick or thin volumes you should be fine using all available disc sizes, as the pool supports a total size of 250 TiB. Which translates to disc sizes of 250 / 6 on an 8 bay unit using RAID 6. This is 41 TiB per disc. Weather you should do this in regard to Unrecoverable Read Errors or not is a completely different question.
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NAS (backup): TS-1635AX FW: 4.5.1.1495 build 20201123
QTS (SSD): [RAID-1] 2 x 2TB Samsung Evo 860 M.2-Sata
Data (QTier): [RAID-6] 4 x 500GB Samsung Evo 860 Sata
Data (HDD): [RAID-6] 5 x 14TB WD Red
RAM: 8 GB (QNAP shipped)
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Re: WD60EFAX support for TS-859 Pro+

Post by cdxp01 » Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:01 pm

I just did a post on this which may or may not get approved. I see significant differences in the performance between the EFAX and EFRX on a TS451+ You dont want to mix them

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Re: WD60EFAX support for TS-859 Pro+

Post by gggplaya » Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:10 pm

WD officially confirmed yesterday that the EFAX drives are SMR technology as opposed to the EFRX's traditional CMR technology. SMR gives better storage density per platter but since it overlaps the recordings, this can be problematic in a NAS Raid array and really hinder write performance. The irony is that these are "NAS" drives.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wd-li ... techNOLOGY

The WD 1 to 6TB red drives are all SMR now. To buy CMR, you have to buy the WD RED PRO or buy 8TB or larger Red drives.

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Re: WD60EFAX support for TS-859 Pro+

Post by Ron1963 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:59 pm

gggplaya, not that it matters much probably (who is still buying that size?), but the 1TB's are still CMR according to blogpost WD, see https://blog.westerndigital.com/wd-red-nas-drives/
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Re: WD60EFAX support for TS-859 Pro+

Post by shadowsports » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:48 am

This is going to cause problems for folks.

Home and work, all of my arrays are built on EFRX drives. The original (5400 RPM - PMR/CMR) Don't remember series. For the time being, they continue to be available.

If they stop production, they will become unreasonably expensive, and if EFAX are going to be common place (5400 RPM - SMR), mixing and trying to replace a failed disk member is going to be complete cr@p.

Replace with a "Pro" series and you get a higher performing disk (7200 RPM - CMR) . I'd rather not mix drives with different rotational speeds, but will take that with CMR over SMR.

Of course I have back ups.. but I'm still not happy WD has decided to save a buck. Its "Shifty Schiff". Just charge a little more and stick with a proven design.
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