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TS-h973AX - 10GbE QuTS hero 9-bay NAS

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:14 pm

EDIT: Sorry everyone, here is a correction. We currently do not have a plan to update the 77 tower series.
https://www.reddit.com/r/qnap/comments/ ... s/g09pllz/


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TS-h973AX 10GbE QuTS hero 9-bay NAS:AMD Ryzen V1500B 4C/8T 2.2GHz CPU, U.2 NVMe and SATA SSD caching

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRuuKxDtXGE


surprise :-0



https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Zen/AMD- ... 1500B.html

AMD Ryzen 5 3600 vs Ryzen V1500B
https://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/674/A ... 1500B.html


lower power consumption makes it more ideal for a 24/7 media server. and it has many threads :D


this chasis doesn't seem like it has the led screen which i am grateful for (since it tells me the status of the nas as it boots up, so i know immediately what is wrong). But i can probably live without it. The important parts are the cpu among other things.

it's got the quts hero label, so it should come with quts hero os, so no additional license purshase would be required afaik.
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Re: TS-h973AX - 10GbE QuTS hero 9-bay NAS

Post by Bob Zelin » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:18 pm

once again, my head is exploding with all the new model numbers. It looks like everything is going to be "re invented" with QuTS Hero, including all the expanders.

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Re: TS-h973AX - 10GbE QuTS hero 9-bay NAS

Post by dolbyman » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:57 pm

the model numbers are all over the place

x99/x77 was Ryzen
x73 was embedded Amd

now the 73AX is Ryzen ?...ugh QNAP
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Re: TS-h973AX - 10GbE QuTS hero 9-bay NAS

Post by rafale » Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:31 pm

dolbyman wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:57 pm
the model numbers are all over the place

x99 was ryzen
x73 was embedded amd

now the 73AX is Ryzen ?...ugh QNAP
Yeah still embedded though. It is an embedded (low power and slower) version of the ryzen.
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Re: TS-h973AX - 10GbE QuTS hero 9-bay NAS

Post by dolbyman » Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:46 pm

Just saw that there is a x73AU with the same processor s well

https://www.qnap.com/en/product/ts-873au

very confusing ... anyways ... as long as specs can be googled .. we shall survive

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Post by G10ra » Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:22 am

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NAS:AMD Ryzen V1500B 4C/8T 2.2GHz CPU, U.2 NVMe and SATA SSD caching

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Re: TS-h973AX

Post by dolbyman » Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:32 am

we have a thread already

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Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:40 am

that said, i probably should have posted into presales. i got there first but g10ra posted in the correct sub forum :ashamed:
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Re: TS-h973AX - 10GbE QuTS hero 9-bay NAS

Post by OneCD » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:48 am

* combined both topics and left a shadow topic link in Presales *

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Re: TS-h973AX - 10GbE QuTS hero 9-bay NAS

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:06 pm

for 2.5gbe use this. if got 10gbe switches etc, use that instead

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seems like this model has both 10gbe and 2.5gbe ports. also this model supports 8-32gb ram although i'm not sure if ECC is supported. With ZFS, more ram the better.


10gbe test result for it :'
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in the video they also mention you can use either quts hero (zfs linux) or qts (linux ext4 etc...). Guess they will be maintaining firmware for these 2 in parralel for now :'
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[Main Server] QNAP TS-877 w. 4tb [ 3x HGST Deskstar NAS (HDN724040ALE640) & 1x WD RED NAS ] EXT4 Raid5 & 2 x m.2 SATA Samsung 850 Evo raid1 +16gb ddr4 Crucial+ QWA-AC2600 wireless+QXP PCIE
[Backup] QNAP TS-653A w. 5x 2TB Samsung F3 (HD203WI) EXT4 Raid5
[Backup] QNAP TL-D400S 2x 4TB WD Red Nas (WD40EFRX) single disks.
[^] QNAP TS-659 Pro II
[^] QNAP TS-509 Pro w. 4x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS) EXT4 Raid5
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[Mobile NAS] TBS-453DX w. 2x Crucial MX500 500gb EXT4 raid1

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Re: TS-h973AX - 10GbE QuTS hero 9-bay NAS

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:53 pm

TS-h973AX: 10GbE QuTS hero 9-bay NAS with a Ryzen CPU (self.qnap)
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Multiple people have been asking when we will have a new Tower NAS with a Ryzen CPU. We are going to release one. I expect this to offer a very good ratio of price to performance and it also should be the most powerful QNAP NAS to fit so small a form factor.

The TS-h973AX is the 9 bay form factor with 5 X 3.5” bays and 4 X 2.5” bays with the very small dimensions of 182.65 × 224.6 × 224.1 mm. 2 of the 2.5” bays support the much faster U.2 NVMe drives. It has 10GbE and 2 2.5GbE ports built-in.

The CPU is a lower end Ryzen, but still a Ryzen. 4 Core 8 thread Zen1 SoC. What this means is that even though it has 73 in the part number, it is significantly more powerful than the TSx73 series. In going from, x73 to 73A with a Ryzen, there is about a 50% IPC improvement, and we gain hyperthreading. Clockrate is very slightly better but no turbo boost. So with all that considered, I expect this to be around twice the CPU power as the x73 series.

That should make this unit great for running lots of apps and containers and 1 or 2 VMs if someone wants a small home lab.

One thing I do want to touch on is why we went with a zen1 SoC. While there are more powerful Ryzen CPUs available, SoCs (System on Chip) allow more to be put on the chip than just the CPU and that allows for a small size of the whole system, more power efficiency, and in most cases, lower cost.

If you consider that this NAS fits 9 bays into such a small form factor, and it is the most powerful CPU we have fit into such a form factor, you might see some of the advantages. The price is not yet announced. But I also expect our choice for SoC to allow us to offer a better ratio of price to performance than with previous Ryzen models. So while some of the people asking for a new Ryzen NAS might have been thinking of an 8 or 12 core Ryzen, many others might appreciate how affordable this SoC Ryzen turns out to be and how little space it takes up wherever you put it.

For those who want something more powerful than this, the TVS-h1288X should be a good option.
https://www.reddit.com/r/qnap/comments/ ... ryzen_cpu/


well beats a arm nas? :' i'm not a fan of the arm models for nas, no matter how low powered they are. but something like this new model seems much better. any benchmarks to compare between the 2?

initially there were questions by users whether they would intro a newer desktop ryzen nas, seeing as for a while now, all we had been seeing were rack models. and the fact that the ts-x77 got eol'ed essentially. So people were wondering, and at the time the answer was something like nothing planned. So people got worried. But glad this was not the case :D

For a 24/7 media server, you need to take into account the annual cost for running this. So this is where this new ryzen model helps :) i don't have this model so i can't try it out on plex how well it would perform, which is one usage case i am curious how well this performs vs say an Intel celeron model
https://energyusecalculator.com/electri ... mputer.htm


Anyway do we know the price for this particular model? :'
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[Main Server] QNAP TS-877 w. 4tb [ 3x HGST Deskstar NAS (HDN724040ALE640) & 1x WD RED NAS ] EXT4 Raid5 & 2 x m.2 SATA Samsung 850 Evo raid1 +16gb ddr4 Crucial+ QWA-AC2600 wireless+QXP PCIE
[Backup] QNAP TS-653A w. 5x 2TB Samsung F3 (HD203WI) EXT4 Raid5
[Backup] QNAP TL-D400S 2x 4TB WD Red Nas (WD40EFRX) single disks.
[^] QNAP TS-659 Pro II
[^] QNAP TS-509 Pro w. 4x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS) EXT4 Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-228
[^] QNAP TS-128
[Mobile NAS] TBS-453DX w. 2x Crucial MX500 500gb EXT4 raid1

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Re: TS-h973AX - 10GbE QuTS hero 9-bay NAS

Post by rafale » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:15 am

Let's see what it comes up with for cost. I just setup a TS-473 for about $100/bay but the original x73 are not very power efficient even though it is slightly faster than the newest celeron based units which consume less than half the power the x73 does. I expect these ryzen 1 to be much more power efficient and likely tickle older i3 units (x82 i3) in terms of performance.

This should give an idea of how it performs (keeping in mind that the V1500B has no turbo @2.2GHz vs the one one listed below with a turbo boost)
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Re: TS-h973AX - 10GbE QuTS hero 9-bay NAS

Post by QNAPDanielFL » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:13 am

In the USA it should be about $850 with 8GB RAM and slightly under $1000 with 32GB RAM.

For anyone who wants a plex media server, please keep in mind this must software transcode instead of using hardware transcoding. That should be just fine for 1080P but not 4K.
72 series is still the best for Plex server for transcoding because it can use its graphics for hardware transcoding.

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